Comments on: How broken can we be? http://raewhitlock.com/2008/05/05/how-broken-can-we-be/ not another blog, v2.0 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 14:41:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Renee Ann http://raewhitlock.com/2008/05/05/how-broken-can-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-4166 Renee Ann Tue, 13 May 2008 14:46:16 +0000 http://raewhitlock.com/?p=112#comment-4166 Great post, Rae. This is exactly why I need to preach the gospel to myself everyday and to hear the gospel in church at least every week. I guess I'm very tuned in to auditory messages. I crave to be in a worship service that provides gifts from our Savior... to confess my sins with fellow believers, to hear the preacher proclaim forgiveness for my sins because of Jesus, to receive sweet communion, and to hear a Christ-centered, cross focused sermon. I need these gifts, at least every week. I don't tend to confess much to anyone but my husband. But, I think that is because of the church liturgy I described. Great post, Rae. This is exactly why I need to preach the gospel to myself everyday and to hear the gospel in church at least every week. I guess I’m very tuned in to auditory messages. I crave to be in a worship service that provides gifts from our Savior… to confess my sins with fellow believers, to hear the preacher proclaim forgiveness for my sins because of Jesus, to receive sweet communion, and to hear a Christ-centered, cross focused sermon. I need these gifts, at least every week.

I don’t tend to confess much to anyone but my husband. But, I think that is because of the church liturgy I described.

]]> By: katy http://raewhitlock.com/2008/05/05/how-broken-can-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-4065 katy Thu, 08 May 2008 01:22:35 +0000 http://raewhitlock.com/?p=112#comment-4065 hey rae... this is a good question to wrestle with...i will tell you that i was blown away at a sermon by mark driscoll... at one point in the sermon he says that confidentiality does not exist at mars hill. i don't want to try to repeat in what context he was speaking about but it did have to do with our own "private" sins and the confidentiality that exists in relationships with our christian brothers and sisters...if you want to listen to it it is a free sermon i am sure you know where to get them... it is called Pain and Progress (neh. 3:1-32) check it out. hey rae… this is a good question to wrestle with…i will tell you that i was blown away at a sermon by mark driscoll… at one point in the sermon he says that confidentiality does not exist at mars hill. i don’t want to try to repeat in what context he was speaking about but it did have to do with our own “private” sins and the confidentiality that exists in relationships with our christian brothers and sisters…if you want to listen to it it is a free sermon i am sure you know where to get them… it is called Pain and Progress (neh. 3:1-32) check it out.

]]> By: Danielle http://raewhitlock.com/2008/05/05/how-broken-can-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-4062 Danielle Wed, 07 May 2008 19:26:44 +0000 http://raewhitlock.com/?p=112#comment-4062 Rae, great post. It's hard to find a happy medium between being brutally honest and closed off. And I'm not sure that I'll ever find it. What I do know is this: sharing my thoughts with my husband and having him hold me accountable (and also share things with me that my be blind spots) is a blessing. I know that my father struggled a lot (and probably does still) with being real and also being appropriate, being a pastor himself. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and hope to read more soon. :) Rae, great post. It’s hard to find a happy medium between being brutally honest and closed off. And I’m not sure that I’ll ever find it. What I do know is this: sharing my thoughts with my husband and having him hold me accountable (and also share things with me that my be blind spots) is a blessing. I know that my father struggled a lot (and probably does still) with being real and also being appropriate, being a pastor himself. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and hope to read more soon. :)

]]> By: Susan L. Prince http://raewhitlock.com/2008/05/05/how-broken-can-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-4006 Susan L. Prince Mon, 05 May 2008 23:37:47 +0000 http://raewhitlock.com/?p=112#comment-4006 Wow. good post Rae. The problem is Christians are still sinful. That means we can be judgemental and critical when we should be forgiving and full of grace. What this means is it is difficult to trust one another, therefore difficult to share our hearts with one another. Now, I am one of these that has trouble being "transparent" and spilling my guts because I simply don't trust people enough. I guess that is why I only have two friends, which is double what I had five months ago. LOL I know someone who believes it is biblical to share burdens and share she does! What has it gotten her? Well, it has earned her a reputation as someone who needs attention all the time, someone who is selfish, all because she asks for prayer on many aspects of her life. I instead sit there never requesting prayer and people think I have my life all together. We are a screwed up people. Wow. good post Rae.

The problem is Christians are still sinful. That means we can be judgemental and critical when we should be forgiving and full of grace.

What this means is it is difficult to trust one another, therefore difficult to share our hearts with one another. Now, I am one of these that has trouble being “transparent” and spilling my guts because I simply don’t trust people enough. I guess that is why I only have two friends, which is double what I had five months ago. LOL

I know someone who believes it is biblical to share burdens and share she does! What has it gotten her? Well, it has earned her a reputation as someone who needs attention all the time, someone who is selfish, all because she asks for prayer on many aspects of her life.

I instead sit there never requesting prayer and people think I have my life all together.

We are a screwed up people.

]]> By: Scott http://raewhitlock.com/2008/05/05/how-broken-can-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-3998 Scott Mon, 05 May 2008 19:21:19 +0000 http://raewhitlock.com/?p=112#comment-3998 I think one key is submission. We are called several times in the NT to be submitted to one another. Bearing each other's burdens. When you submit yourself to someone, say allow them to criticize you or something. so you also see a heart of submission in them? People who understand biblical submission are the ones I typically find "safe" to be totally transparent with. I think one key is submission. We are called several times in the NT to be submitted to one another. Bearing each other’s burdens.

When you submit yourself to someone, say allow them to criticize you or something. so you also see a heart of submission in them? People who understand biblical submission are the ones I typically find “safe” to be totally transparent with.

]]> By: Chris Hubbs http://raewhitlock.com/2008/05/05/how-broken-can-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-3995 Chris Hubbs Mon, 05 May 2008 12:06:06 +0000 http://raewhitlock.com/?p=112#comment-3995 Oh, the number of times I have wrestled with these questions. Still no real good answers. Oh, the number of times I have wrestled with these questions. Still no real good answers.

]]> By: Arron http://raewhitlock.com/2008/05/05/how-broken-can-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-3994 Arron Mon, 05 May 2008 11:51:00 +0000 http://raewhitlock.com/?p=112#comment-3994 It's a huge and tangled knot of problem caused by sin, isn't it? I will say that the SaLT group you were in at Northbrook now has a new dynamic, and I do not feel as comfortable there as I once did. Confession in particular has grown difficult, stilted, adn really strangled. While the 20-year old you may have been not wonderful, I miss the 26 or 27 year old you that was still honest and open, but maybe not as proud of it: I kind of feel like you gave the rest of us a sort of tacet permission to be more honest and open with each other. And it's not there now. I miss it. I'm actually trying to decide now whether or not I want to stay at Northbrook if I stay here in Jackson. It’s a huge and tangled knot of problem caused by sin, isn’t it?
I will say that the SaLT group you were in at Northbrook now has a new dynamic, and I do not feel as comfortable there as I once did. Confession in particular has grown difficult, stilted, adn really strangled. While the 20-year old you may have been not wonderful, I miss the 26 or 27 year old you that was still honest and open, but maybe not as proud of it: I kind of feel like you gave the rest of us a sort of tacet permission to be more honest and open with each other.

And it’s not there now. I miss it. I’m actually trying to decide now whether or not I want to stay at Northbrook if I stay here in Jackson.

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