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		<title>By: not another blog. &#187; I&#8217;m done (for now, at least).</title>
		<link>http://raewhitlock.com/2006/03/28/god-doesnt-reject-people/comment-page-1/#comment-5275</link>
		<dc:creator>not another blog. &#187; I&#8217;m done (for now, at least).</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Since then, I&#8217;ve written about a few things . . . from my family&#8217;s search for a new church after moving last year, to the Southern Baptists&#8217; freak-out over a coffee cup, to my disgust with liberal &#8220;Christianity&#8221;, and varioius other things. Recently, though, I&#8217;ve been asking myself two big questions about my blog . . . [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Since then, I&#8217;ve written about a few things . . . from my family&#8217;s search for a new church after moving last year, to the Southern Baptists&#8217; freak-out over a coffee cup, to my disgust with liberal &#8220;Christianity&#8221;, and varioius other things. Recently, though, I&#8217;ve been asking myself two big questions about my blog . . . [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rae</title>
		<link>http://raewhitlock.com/2006/03/28/god-doesnt-reject-people/comment-page-1/#comment-5274</link>
		<dc:creator>Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Excellent&lt;/i&gt; insights, Lew.  Thanks for joining the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Excellent</i> insights, Lew.  Thanks for joining the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Lew</title>
		<link>http://raewhitlock.com/2006/03/28/god-doesnt-reject-people/comment-page-1/#comment-5273</link>
		<dc:creator>Lew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of an interview on Chris Webber that I had read a few years back where he discussed Malcolm X and God.

&quot;Malcolm was worshiping with men of all races, of all ages, and he realized that his God wasn&#039;t a prejudiced God or wasn&#039;t only allowed to communicate with one race -- and that was pretty big, especially if you see the movie about Malcolm X.&quot;

As I&#039;ve talked to white friends, it&#039;s interesting because they don&#039;t realize the perspective many blacks have on Christianity because of slavery.  When you think about how the Bible was used to promote slavery and how &quot;sunday morning is the most segregated time in America,&quot; then it&#039;s easy to think that God is prejudiced or plays favorites.

As  I talk to my family members that go to liberal churches that think that it is truly unloving of me to support fencing the Lord&#039;s Supper, to say that is Scriptural that women should be ministers and that it&#039;s unloving and not compassionate if I believe that women shouldn&#039;t have abortions.  My father once told me it&#039;s discouraging to tell other African-Americans that they can&#039;t gain God&#039;s favor and that I should never talk about the doctrine of sin.

Does Paul not say in 2 Tim 4:3 that their will come a time when men want their ears to be tickled?  Are we really surprised by this?  American society wants a lovey-dovey Happy Valentine&#039;s Day God.  Sin, repentance, mortifying flesh, and bearing a cross would not make me come away from church feeling good about myself.  Let us forget about a holy God who is separate and totally not like us, but instead let&#039;s make God just feel like us.

Let&#039;s make God in our image, flawed.  Let us claim that His Word was written by fallible, jewish, males that can&#039;t be trusted so we can pick and choose what applies to our lives.  Let&#039;s make God dependent upon us, so that we don&#039;t have to rest on His cross and the blood of His Son.  Let us make God in a way that He changes with the times, so that we can claim because the times have changed, so does God&#039;s standard of sexuality.  Now my itching ears have been tickeled.

An interesting comment was made above that said: &quot;Instead of laughing at these people and their stories, they need to be welcomed into our churches with open arms, relentlessly pointed toward and shown the loving grace of Christ, rejoiced over when he saves them, and then taught to obey everything that he commands.&quot;  We can&#039;t just welcome them into our churches.  That will rarely be the first step.  The first step is to welcome that into our lives.  If the church is already viewed as rejecting people, how are we going to get them there?  As I&#039;ve dialouged with friends about reaching out, I&#039;ve come to the conclusion that one of the most effective things we can do is show our weakness and that we are in need of grace.  Way too often Christians come to others with the attitude of, &quot;you are in need of a Savior,&quot; but honestly, I am as much in need of a savior as any other sinner out there.

Yeah, God does reject people, let&#039;s be honest.  What is so glorious is that He accepts so many who don&#039;t deserve to be accepted.  Although many liberals won&#039;t accept it, it&#039;s glorious to know:

15For he says to Moses, &quot;I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.&quot; 16So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. (Romans 9:15-16)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of an interview on Chris Webber that I had read a few years back where he discussed Malcolm X and God.</p>
<p>&#8220;Malcolm was worshiping with men of all races, of all ages, and he realized that his God wasn&#8217;t a prejudiced God or wasn&#8217;t only allowed to communicate with one race &#8212; and that was pretty big, especially if you see the movie about Malcolm X.&#8221;</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve talked to white friends, it&#8217;s interesting because they don&#8217;t realize the perspective many blacks have on Christianity because of slavery.  When you think about how the Bible was used to promote slavery and how &#8220;sunday morning is the most segregated time in America,&#8221; then it&#8217;s easy to think that God is prejudiced or plays favorites.</p>
<p>As  I talk to my family members that go to liberal churches that think that it is truly unloving of me to support fencing the Lord&#8217;s Supper, to say that is Scriptural that women should be ministers and that it&#8217;s unloving and not compassionate if I believe that women shouldn&#8217;t have abortions.  My father once told me it&#8217;s discouraging to tell other African-Americans that they can&#8217;t gain God&#8217;s favor and that I should never talk about the doctrine of sin.</p>
<p>Does Paul not say in 2 Tim 4:3 that their will come a time when men want their ears to be tickled?  Are we really surprised by this?  American society wants a lovey-dovey Happy Valentine&#8217;s Day God.  Sin, repentance, mortifying flesh, and bearing a cross would not make me come away from church feeling good about myself.  Let us forget about a holy God who is separate and totally not like us, but instead let&#8217;s make God just feel like us.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s make God in our image, flawed.  Let us claim that His Word was written by fallible, jewish, males that can&#8217;t be trusted so we can pick and choose what applies to our lives.  Let&#8217;s make God dependent upon us, so that we don&#8217;t have to rest on His cross and the blood of His Son.  Let us make God in a way that He changes with the times, so that we can claim because the times have changed, so does God&#8217;s standard of sexuality.  Now my itching ears have been tickeled.</p>
<p>An interesting comment was made above that said: &#8220;Instead of laughing at these people and their stories, they need to be welcomed into our churches with open arms, relentlessly pointed toward and shown the loving grace of Christ, rejoiced over when he saves them, and then taught to obey everything that he commands.&#8221;  We can&#8217;t just welcome them into our churches.  That will rarely be the first step.  The first step is to welcome that into our lives.  If the church is already viewed as rejecting people, how are we going to get them there?  As I&#8217;ve dialouged with friends about reaching out, I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that one of the most effective things we can do is show our weakness and that we are in need of grace.  Way too often Christians come to others with the attitude of, &#8220;you are in need of a Savior,&#8221; but honestly, I am as much in need of a savior as any other sinner out there.</p>
<p>Yeah, God does reject people, let&#8217;s be honest.  What is so glorious is that He accepts so many who don&#8217;t deserve to be accepted.  Although many liberals won&#8217;t accept it, it&#8217;s glorious to know:</p>
<p>15For he says to Moses, &#8220;I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.&#8221; 16So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. (Romans 9:15-16)</p>
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		<title>By: Rae</title>
		<link>http://raewhitlock.com/2006/03/28/god-doesnt-reject-people/comment-page-1/#comment-5272</link>
		<dc:creator>Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toppy - I would hesitate to call the RejectionHurts site &quot;hilarious&quot;.  I actually find it, and the stories it contains, a rather tragic indictment of some hyper-conservative churches and the impression it gives of evangelicalism as a whole.  It should gives us all pause and cause us to constantly evaluate and re-evaluate how we treat those on the &quot;fringes&quot;.

Instead of laughing at these people and their stories, they need to be welcomed into our churches with open arms, relentlessly pointed toward and shown the loving grace of Christ, rejoiced over when he saves them, and then taught to obey everything that he commands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toppy &#8211; I would hesitate to call the RejectionHurts site &#8220;hilarious&#8221;.  I actually find it, and the stories it contains, a rather tragic indictment of some hyper-conservative churches and the impression it gives of evangelicalism as a whole.  It should gives us all pause and cause us to constantly evaluate and re-evaluate how we treat those on the &#8220;fringes&#8221;.</p>
<p>Instead of laughing at these people and their stories, they need to be welcomed into our churches with open arms, relentlessly pointed toward and shown the loving grace of Christ, rejoiced over when he saves them, and then taught to obey everything that he commands.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Winters</title>
		<link>http://raewhitlock.com/2006/03/28/god-doesnt-reject-people/comment-page-1/#comment-5271</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good words, Ray.  As usual.</description>
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		<title>By: Travis Seitler</title>
		<link>http://raewhitlock.com/2006/03/28/god-doesnt-reject-people/comment-page-1/#comment-5270</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Seitler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the people who have similar stories will see these ads, and subsequently end up in congregations where they wonâ€™t even get what they need the most: the Gospel.&quot;

No disagreement there, Rae. =/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the people who have similar stories will see these ads, and subsequently end up in congregations where they wonâ€™t even get what they need the most: the Gospel.&#8221;</p>
<p>No disagreement there, Rae. =/</p>
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		<title>By: Rae</title>
		<link>http://raewhitlock.com/2006/03/28/god-doesnt-reject-people/comment-page-1/#comment-5269</link>
		<dc:creator>Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No disagreement there, Travis.  I do think that the stories told on the site are tragic and the churches that perpetrated those acts need to repent themselves.  My reaction, I suppose, is more against the fact that the people who have similar stories will see these ads, and subsequently end up in congregations where they won&#039;t even get what they need the most: the Gospel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No disagreement there, Travis.  I do think that the stories told on the site are tragic and the churches that perpetrated those acts need to repent themselves.  My reaction, I suppose, is more against the fact that the people who have similar stories will see these ads, and subsequently end up in congregations where they won&#8217;t even get what they need the most: the Gospel.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Seitler</title>
		<link>http://raewhitlock.com/2006/03/28/god-doesnt-reject-people/comment-page-1/#comment-5268</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Seitler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, there are &lt;em&gt;some&lt;/em&gt; valid concerns there. They need to exercise some better discernment, but we do, too.

We&#039;re called to judge those within the Church; but we need to &quot;judge righteous judgment.&quot; All to often, we judge like the Pharisees do. (Take the heavily-pierced kid at the end of the new ad.) While the UCC&#039;s response is too far in the opposite direction, we ought to sift it for the kernels of God&#039;s truth that are in there, and let God rebuke us through them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, there are <em>some</em> valid concerns there. They need to exercise some better discernment, but we do, too.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re called to judge those within the Church; but we need to &#8220;judge righteous judgment.&#8221; All to often, we judge like the Pharisees do. (Take the heavily-pierced kid at the end of the new ad.) While the UCC&#8217;s response is too far in the opposite direction, we ought to sift it for the kernels of God&#8217;s truth that are in there, and let God rebuke us through them.</p>
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		<title>By: Toppy</title>
		<link>http://raewhitlock.com/2006/03/28/god-doesnt-reject-people/comment-page-1/#comment-5267</link>
		<dc:creator>Toppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 04:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That &quot;rejection hurts&quot; website is HILARIOUS.  You know what United Church of Christ reminds me of?  That baby steps &quot;philosophy&quot; from What About Bob.  That is essentially what UCC is, a bunch of &quot;Christians&quot; taking baby steps, the only thing is their baby steps ain&#039;t really taking them anywhere, they are just in a perpetual state of floundering at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That &#8220;rejection hurts&#8221; website is HILARIOUS.  You know what United Church of Christ reminds me of?  That baby steps &#8220;philosophy&#8221; from What About Bob.  That is essentially what UCC is, a bunch of &#8220;Christians&#8221; taking baby steps, the only thing is their baby steps ain&#8217;t really taking them anywhere, they are just in a perpetual state of floundering at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Rae</title>
		<link>http://raewhitlock.com/2006/03/28/god-doesnt-reject-people/comment-page-1/#comment-5266</link>
		<dc:creator>Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 03:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet.
Hey, did you get my e-mail today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet.<br />
Hey, did you get my e-mail today?</p>
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