Comments on: Joel Osteen: An Enemy of the Gospel? http://raewhitlock.com/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/ not another blog, v2.0 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 17:32:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: JRock http://raewhitlock.com/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/comment-page-2/#comment-7730 JRock Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:14:11 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/raekwon/archives/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/#comment-7730 This is free speech for the dumb! I have heard a lot about Joel Osteen over the years. I haven't read his book and I have only seen a few of sermons. And I haven't given much thought to him until a teacher of mine recently told me that he said Jesus isn't the only way to heaven on Larry King. I thought, "If he said that, then he would have been kicked out of his church." All of those people couldn't be that decieved. So, I looked it up, and it looks like he was avoiding judging people on CNN, which is what turns the world off the most about Christians, more than claiming that Jesus wasn't the only way. He really said that Jesus was the way for him, and that God is judge. Now, I understand that there comes a point where you have to accept Jesus as the only way and repent from your sins. But, I also try to imagine what it would be like to be a Chrisitan celebrity. Most non-believers hear him talk about Jesus than you or me. If most of the world writes us off as judgmental what would you do? What would you want to avoid saying on the Larry King show? Will it help non-beleivers in the long-run to believe Jesus is the way for some people...no. But, is it a good place to start by saying, 'look, I'm not going to do anything that appears judgmental. Instead, let me tell you some of the benefits of living with the power of Jesus. If that can get a non-believer at least interested in the Gospel, then he's probably doing a lot better at getting people's attention at an entry level of faith, then most churches. I'm not saying I'm a Joel fan, but I wonder about all the criticism we give him. Maybe the messages we hear are only part of his ministry. Maybe those are his seeker-frinedly services, and they have other ministries within that church that talk about sin and the need for Christ. Maybe we only see the first step in the ladder, because the first step should be approachable for anyone in the world. Just my thoughts This is free speech for the dumb!

I have heard a lot about Joel Osteen over the years. I haven’t read his book and I have only seen a few of sermons. And I haven’t given much thought to him until a teacher of mine recently told me that he said Jesus isn’t the only way to heaven on Larry King.

I thought, “If he said that, then he would have been kicked out of his church.” All of those people couldn’t be that decieved. So, I looked it up, and it looks like he was avoiding judging people on CNN, which is what turns the world off the most about Christians, more than claiming that Jesus wasn’t the only way. He really said that Jesus was the way for him, and that God is judge.

Now, I understand that there comes a point where you have to accept Jesus as the only way and repent from your sins. But, I also try to imagine what it would be like to be a Chrisitan celebrity. Most non-believers hear him talk about Jesus than you or me. If most of the world writes us off as judgmental what would you do? What would you want to avoid saying on the Larry King show?

Will it help non-beleivers in the long-run to believe Jesus is the way for some people…no. But, is it a good place to start by saying, ‘look, I’m not going to do anything that appears judgmental. Instead, let me tell you some of the benefits of living with the power of Jesus. If that can get a non-believer at least interested in the Gospel, then he’s probably doing a lot better at getting people’s attention at an entry level of faith, then most churches.

I’m not saying I’m a Joel fan, but I wonder about all the criticism we give him. Maybe the messages we hear are only part of his ministry. Maybe those are his seeker-frinedly services, and they have other ministries within that church that talk about sin and the need for Christ. Maybe we only see the first step in the ladder, because the first step should be approachable for anyone in the world. Just my thoughts

]]> By: Ares Vista http://raewhitlock.com/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/comment-page-2/#comment-7376 Ares Vista Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:27:57 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/raekwon/archives/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/#comment-7376 The truth is, without people who support this ignorant fool, he wouldn't exist. That is a representation of the Christian movement today: the only reason Christians 'believe' is because they think there is something in it for themselves. The truth is, without people who support this ignorant fool, he wouldn’t exist. That is a representation of the Christian movement today: the only reason Christians ‘believe’ is because they think there is something in it for themselves.

]]> By: Tim Wilson http://raewhitlock.com/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/comment-page-2/#comment-7154 Tim Wilson Mon, 06 Apr 2009 04:27:48 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/raekwon/archives/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/#comment-7154 Ummmm. I am LDS, but that has nothing to do with the fact that I have eyes that are sharp enough to expose the fact that Joel has wires visible (on right side) and a matching curl on his left side (right behind his ears). These are mini speakers that dictate every perfect word he speaks. Note that he speaks like he's reading a very well written speach on a tele-prompter. This is why people think is so amazing...like all that great speach is coming off the top of his head. Well, it is but not quite from the top. The middle, behind his ears. Silly rabbit Joel. Tricks are for kids. Ummmm. I am LDS, but that has nothing to do with the fact that I have eyes that are sharp enough to expose the fact that Joel has wires visible (on right side) and a matching curl on his left side (right behind his ears). These are mini speakers that dictate every perfect word he speaks. Note that he speaks like he’s reading a very well written speach on a tele-prompter. This is why people think is so amazing…like all that great speach is coming off the top of his head. Well, it is but not quite from the top. The middle, behind his ears.

Silly rabbit Joel. Tricks are for kids.

]]> By: Emily http://raewhitlock.com/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/comment-page-2/#comment-5195 Emily Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:39:42 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/raekwon/archives/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/#comment-5195 Rae, you asked where people found the link to this. I am doing some background reading, preparing a sermon on loving your enemies. This came up top on the google search. For the record...I would have trouble with the idea of wealth as an index of spiritual maturity. I would have thought that Job would give us enough illustration that spiritual matters can be much more complex than what we see on the surface of life! Rae, you asked where people found the link to this. I am doing some background reading, preparing a sermon on loving your enemies. This came up top on the google search.

For the record…I would have trouble with the idea of wealth as an index of spiritual maturity. I would have thought that Job would give us enough illustration that spiritual matters can be much more complex than what we see on the surface of life!

]]> By: Macgyver http://raewhitlock.com/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/comment-page-2/#comment-5194 Macgyver Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:17:27 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/raekwon/archives/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/#comment-5194 I've pretty much given up on my questions ever being answered. I’ve pretty much given up on my questions ever being answered.

]]> By: Phil http://raewhitlock.com/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/comment-page-2/#comment-5193 Phil Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:20:22 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/raekwon/archives/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/#comment-5193 Macgyver asks some very good questions that you dodge, Bob. They're actually quite easy to answer based on orthodoxy. Not so easy if all you have is Joel Osteen's blatherings. Macgyver asks some very good questions that you dodge, Bob. They’re actually quite easy to answer based on orthodoxy. Not so easy if all you have is Joel Osteen’s blatherings.

]]> By: Rev. Rafael http://raewhitlock.com/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/comment-page-2/#comment-5192 Rev. Rafael Sat, 29 Dec 2007 05:53:05 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/raekwon/archives/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/#comment-5192 Once again, Joel Osteen's utter failure to uphold Christian truth in an age of apostacy only further supports what is all too clear about his teaching: it is spiritually bankrupt. Here is a link to articles our ministry has created on Osteen's heretical compromise that is anointed as "Christianity" today. http://www.spiritwatch.org/behindsmile.htm Once again, Joel Osteen’s utter failure to uphold Christian truth in an age of apostacy only further supports what is all too clear about his teaching: it is spiritually bankrupt.

Here is a link to articles our ministry has created on Osteen’s heretical compromise that is anointed as “Christianity” today.

http://www.spiritwatch.org/behindsmile.htm

]]> By: Bob W http://raewhitlock.com/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/comment-page-2/#comment-5191 Bob W Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:05:45 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/raekwon/archives/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/#comment-5191 If we had stuck with the Book of Acts we wouldn't have needed the reformers. That was church! Now that's an Osteen response.... John Osteen. Hey what do you think about praying in tongues? Snakes? We only do that on the 3rd wed of each month. I kidding. I guess we've run everybody off macgyver. LOL Maybe they're on vacation. Have a great Christmas If we had stuck with the Book of Acts we wouldn’t have needed the reformers. That was church! Now that’s an Osteen response…. John Osteen.

Hey what do you think about praying in tongues?

Snakes? We only do that on the 3rd wed of each month. I kidding.

I guess we’ve run everybody off macgyver. LOL Maybe they’re on vacation.

Have a great Christmas

]]> By: macgyver http://raewhitlock.com/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/comment-page-2/#comment-5190 macgyver Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:49:21 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/raekwon/archives/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/#comment-5190 Sounds like an Osteen response. I sure am glad the Reformers didn't adopt such an attitude Sounds like an Osteen response. I sure am glad the Reformers didn’t adopt such an attitude

]]> By: Bob W http://raewhitlock.com/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/comment-page-2/#comment-5189 Bob W Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:28:58 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/raekwon/archives/2006/01/14/joel-osteen-an-enemy-of-the-gospel/#comment-5189 Hey folks what do you say we continue this argument over coffee after we've had dinner with the Lord. We can laugh with each other over who was right and who was wrong. I've got Christmas shopping to do. Hey folks what do you say we continue this argument over coffee after we’ve had dinner with the Lord. We can laugh with each other over who was right and who was wrong. I’ve got Christmas shopping to do.

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